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Hello Friends,

I know we have debated this topic more than once, but I would really like to hear our users' opinions and understand if they are truly satisfied with the current level of PvP on our server.

From my perspective, PvP is quite boring when it comes down to just pressing two keys and waiting to see who dies first. Anyway, I’ve already shared my thoughts on this in another part of the forum, and I’ll post it here so everyone can read and share their opinions on the matter.

I believe we are undermining the great balance that Infinity has achieved with the introduction of macros. I recall once questioning this decision, and a staff member responded by saying, “Webzen already allows macros in their higher seasons.” However, Infinity and Webzen have a significant difference.

In Webzen, the MuHelper is essential because it’s a purely PvE server where players mostly grind mobs and can’t be glued to their screens 24/7. Infinity, on the other hand, is the opposite, we need active participation in PvP content. This is why Infinity achieved high numbers of active players in the past.

I know some may reply that the MU community has been declining over time, and that’s true, but believe me, the difference in enjoyment between doing PvP manually and using a simple macro is immense.

Below, I’ve included the text I previously published, and I hope everyone feels encouraged to comment on this topic. Feel free to share your thoughts, regardless of your stance on macros—your perspective matters to this game.

That said, I personally believe it’s a bit difficult to attract new players nowadays because what’s really fun about MU in general is the PvP content. In iMU, to have a good level of PvP, you need many things like guild buffs, achievements, and the latest Ubers.
We already know that all these can be obtained simply by playing; we’ve had this discussion for years. But the big difference is that in the past, new players could simply use a Tier 1 Uber set and create great battles in the arena without needing to invest much time or money into their characters.

On the other hand, I personally think that enabling macros negatively impacted the game. It’s true that most players always used macros to play, but my perspective is from another point of view.
Currently, those of us who love PvP are simply robots. We use two keys to activate the macro and just wait to see who dies first—it’s really boring.

When you fight against another player and see that the other person is better, the losing player will try anything to win, even if that means using macros or other cheats that we all know about.
Careful, don’t misunderstand me—I’m not saying we should allow all third-party programs. I’m just saying that sometimes illegal programs are a necessary evil.
Those trash players who are used to using third-party programs are the ones who panic when they can’t win and resort to cheats. And that’s exactly what generates content in the game. This is a very difficult and detailed point to understand, so I want to express myself as clearly as possible.

Obviously, it’s impossible to undo all the progress the server has made and the new sets that have been added. But I think we should narrow the gap between the classic sets and the latest ones so that all players have a chance to participate in PvP without needing the latest items.

Additionally, it’s simple: we shouldn’t allow macros. Let players show their skills with their hands, and if any player uses macros and fails in the game, they should be banned. If they want to keep playing, they should pay for it.

think iMU’s strongest point has always been PvP. They’ve truly managed to achieve good balance. For those who don’t know, it’s really hard to create an almost perfect level of balance between characters. But believe me, if we base all that balance on pressing two keys to activate and deactivate a macro, it becomes really boring.

That’s why I say it should be straightforward and like in the past—if someone fails, they’ll simply be banned. Let’s not be hypocrites; we all know who the macro users are. We all know each other and are perfectly aware of who they are. So, when they die and can’t win, desperation will get the better of them, and they’ll use it until they fail. But during that process, the legal player will also get desperate trying to win, which will generate more content against the macro user.

It’s very hard to explain all of this, so I hope my thoughts aren’t misunderstood. I’m willing to explain it again if it wasn’t clear.

A great friend of mine once told me: unfortunately, macros and third-party programs are a necessary evil in the game because those players generate a lot of content. However, you must punish them differently. Block macros, and if they pay, give them another chance. But for users who use other cheats, ban them permanently.

 
The argument against macros is compelling, particularly given the server’s focus on active, skill based PvP. Macros diminish the thrill of competition by reducing fights to mechanical interactions, eroding the essence of what makes PvP engaging. Players should be rewarded for manual skill, adaptability, and strategy, which are undermined by automation.

While it’s true that building a highly functional macro requires skill, this is a different type of expertise, one rooted in technical automation rather than gameplay mastery. While impressive, this skill isn’t aligned with the core spirit of season 3 gameplay, at least for me.

Allowing macros also creates a divide between players who rely on them and those who don’t, fostering resentment among skilled players. While some argue that automation levels the playing field, it more often alienates those who value fair competition, and I stand by this, because I am in this group of players. Disallowing macros would restore the sense of achievement that comes with mastering the game.

A significant challenge, however, lies in enforcement. Enforcing bans for macro usage is inherently difficult due to the sophisticated nature of modern macros. They are nearly impossible to detect with anti-cheat systems, if not completely impossible at this point. Triggering macros via in-game failures, such as chatting the macro line, is also ineffective because advanced macros are designed to avoid these pitfalls. This makes direct detection a fairy tale, unfortunately.

All in all, I agree with the points raised about how macros diminish the skill and excitement of PvP, making it feel mechanical and less rewarding. However, I believe trying to ban macro usage is not a practical solution given how advanced and undetectable they have become. This is prime example of the case "if you can't beat them, join them".

Not to mention, there will always be a significant portion of players who seek shortcuts. Even if we tried to encourage playing without macros, it would likely be futile due to the reality that many players prioritise their own advantage over fair play and are unwilling to change.
 
The last time that they banned macros again; everyone was super hyped and happy, everyone was trying their combos and practicing. It only lasted two days. After just two days, most of the people were using macros again. The modern peripherals must be super difficult to detect; also they cannot fail in the chat anymore, furthermore, even harder if it they make a "realistic" combo script. Times change, in the past, being good at doing combo was a skill. In this modern era being good at making scripts it is also a skill which takes ton of time to master
 
Hello guys,

I will share my very rushed opinion but I am behind it, always. Make PVP simple like with wearing Gold Pet you will hit hard and who hits first, kills first kind of setting. Then sit and watch how active the server is. With that way there will be tons of competitions and open possibility for everyone to play. Currently it is not. You must be addictive and hardcore to play current pvp. If you thing i am wrong on this, check PVPers. Now comers barely on pvp yard in pvp server.

There is no Whose better in PVP = Wins arguement also. Because whose have better pc, better macro and better ping wins. Who shows their PVP skills in PVP ? Macros does the job. Correct me if I am wrong. For example me. Why i have to connect for PVP ing whether i have time or not. I have to activate WTFast like software, full ant-lag patch, hot key for right mouse and open macro for it to be playable. Are you kidding with me? Will that attract me? Can that attract me? I doesnt and it doesnt for most as i see.

After a point, some decisions must be political. For example, there must be a little kind of arguments in forum, such big discussion threads in forum for to attract players into forum. Sometimes you have to allow such things for people be active. Being active means you will have ego to show your name and what can you do. In game it is same too. When you narrow things to 1v1 pvp only and with Macros and boring things that i wrote above, people will not play actively. Only actively playable server can attract more and more. This is PVP server. It must not be boring. There must be gangster like groups to fight each other. Only this can increase competitiveness and activeness of the server. Otherwise, after a time, it will bore players. Because you are not the one playing, but anormal program that does all for you.

I dont say, make pvp such as 1 hit kills. But balance must make pvp easy and simple. Currently it is not long also. 1 hit combo does the job. Boring, boring, boring...


Sorry, I wanted to make it shorter but couldn`t even it supposed to be rushed one :-D
 
Hello guys,

I will share my very rushed opinion but I am behind it, always. Make PVP simple like with wearing Gold Pet you will hit hard and who hits first, kills first kind of setting. Then sit and watch how active the server is. With that way there will be tons of competitions and open possibility for everyone to play. Currently it is not. You must be addictive and hardcore to play current pvp. If you thing i am wrong on this, check PVPers. Now comers barely on pvp yard in pvp server.

There is no Whose better in PVP = Wins arguement also. Because whose have better pc, better macro and better ping wins. Who shows their PVP skills in PVP ? Macros does the job. Correct me if I am wrong. For example me. Why i have to connect for PVP ing whether i have time or not. I have to activate WTFast like software, full ant-lag patch, hot key for right mouse and open macro for it to be playable. Are you kidding with me? Will that attract me? Can that attract me? I doesnt and it doesnt for most as i see.

After a point, some decisions must be political. For example, there must be a little kind of arguments in forum, such big discussion threads in forum for to attract players into forum. Sometimes you have to allow such things for people be active. Being active means you will have ego to show your name and what can you do. In game it is same too. When you narrow things to 1v1 pvp only and with Macros and boring things that i wrote above, people will not play actively. Only actively playable server can attract more and more. This is PVP server. It must not be boring. There must be gangster like groups to fight each other. Only this can increase competitiveness and activeness of the server. Otherwise, after a time, it will bore players. Because you are not the one playing, but anormal program that does all for you.

I dont say, make pvp such as 1 hit kills. But balance must make pvp easy and simple. Currently it is not long also. 1 hit combo does the job. Boring, boring, boring...


Sorry, I wanted to make it shorter but couldn`t even it supposed to be rushed one :-D


Sometimes it’s a bit complicated to express your feelings within the community because some people think you’re criticizing the game when, in reality, you’re just trying to help and share your thoughts.

Personally, I feel there is too much Reflect in the game right now. I suppose it was added intentionally since everyone uses macros these days, which makes executing combos easier. However, for someone like me, who plays manually, it has become really challenging—even 1v1 fights last a long time. Anyway, that's a separate discussion.

In my opinion, PvP with macros is really boring; it doesn’t generate emotions or adrenaline. And while it’s true that if macros were disallowed, players would still use them, they would inevitably fail in-game and face penalties like in the past.

Using a similar example, some players use hacks, which aren’t allowed either. We just wait for them to make mistakes in the game. That said, it’s impossible to block all third-party programs entirely, including macros.

As I mentioned earlier, these programs are, unfortunately, a necessary evil. These players create content.
Let’s not be hypocritical and tell the truth. In the past, when there were no potion-per-second limits, how do you think most players managed to compete against European players? Do you really think their hands were magical? Come on, be serious.
 
i play hand combo and i still bang macro users :kbro: it's your choice not to play with macros :kebapsing:

also you can't please everyone.. if venci would remove macros out of the game now, people would be crying in 3 months to get them back in the game...

how it is at the moment you have a choice - or you use it, or you don't. but then the people who use it are not punished for that.
 
Long story short, I like macro :hihibaby:
I agree with you 🤣 It is tho somehow hard for first timer to configurate yung script on first time, tho there are lots of players who are willing to teach you script either mouse or jitbit. Learning to adjust it and having advices on what to ups more or down more in order of the damage result you are seeking. There are fast script with low dmg and low def to your char, there are also slow script combos that has higher dmg than the fast ones. We players learn and adapt things on hand. Maybe you should too.
 
Macro Good reduce risk having carpal tunnel syndrome.

And it makes people who have 1 arm play or only has 2-3 fingers left enjoy pvp.

Make game enjoyable for PWD too.
 
Sorry but Im for Macros :D
its a better game. because people can now choose whether they want to use it or not. and not like before 50% hid it)
 
First, I do perfect combos with my fingers in all char but I'm also a macro fan,
imagine some 1 back home from work and the kids are sleeping and the family wants to take some silence and peace and I start tek tak tok on my keyboard for 10 min not even 10 hours, Everyone in my house hates me when I start playing with my fingers, and sometimes I back from work tired from real life and wanna chile some time on the game I love but cannot play with my fingers for many reasons so I will not open the game, 1 more thing we are not 16 years old any more we cannot tek tak tek tak for 1 hour or 2 hours max u will play 30 min with your fingers and done no more activity and no more pvp and server die.
The last thing we already tested some years ago and this is the main reason many players left the game and imu lost them even when macro back they already found other games enjoying it now and won't come back so it's destroying the server and I won't accept this happen again since I'm in this server and I will take it personally
 
In the chaos of war, even the most disciplined fighters (fingers) face challenges in maintaining flawless execution.

Combat is unpredictable, and human error can disrupt the flow, leaving even the strongest warriors vulnerable. To overcome these mortal limits, our dear
@RESiSTANT has allowed us to utilize modern innovations, tools that emulate perfect precision: macros.

Macros symbolize a warrior’s bond with their weapon, enabling them to achieve the perfect symphony of destruction. Whether a Dark Knight’s blade, a Magic Gladiator’s hybrid skills, or a Soul Master’s spells, the combo becomes not just a technique but an expression of ultimate mastery.

Macros are more than just tools—they are the manifestation of a warrior’s dedication to perfection, ensuring every strike resonates with the rhythm of victory, no matter the class or the chaos of the battlefield.
 
go play in s8 (sister) if you want to play without macro then play here if you want to play with macro.
we are already living in with the most updated technology already maybe soon robots will play with us now in our behalf.
macro gameplay is macro gameplay and normal gameplay is normal gameplay.
but you can still play with others using pch thing if you want to play with fingers only. hehe

happy gaming :)
 
Sorry but Im for Macros :D

its a better game. because people can now choose whether they want to use it or not. and not like before 50% hid it)

Hello,
There’s no need to apologize. If you believe that Macro improves PVP, that’s perfectly fine it's your opinion, and it’s respectable.
Feel free to share your thoughts, always with respect towards everyone.

go play in s8 (sister) if you want to play without macro then play here if you want to play with macro.

we are already living in with the most updated technology already maybe soon robots will play with us now in our behalf.

macro gameplay is macro gameplay and normal gameplay is normal gameplay.

but you can still play with others using pch thing if you want to play with fingers only. hehe



happy gaming :)


Hello,
I completely understand your point of view. I appreciate your invitation to the s8 server, but I don’t enjoy it, I prefer playing the classic version.

The argument against macros is compelling, particularly given the server’s focus on active, skill based PvP. Macros diminish the thrill of competition by reducing fights to mechanical interactions, eroding the essence of what makes PvP engaging. Players should be rewarded for manual skill, adaptability, and strategy, which are undermined by automation.



While it’s true that building a highly functional macro requires skill, this is a different type of expertise, one rooted in technical automation rather than gameplay mastery. While impressive, this skill isn’t aligned with the core spirit of season 3 gameplay, at least for me.



Allowing macros also creates a divide between players who rely on them and those who don’t, fostering resentment among skilled players. While some argue that automation levels the playing field, it more often alienates those who value fair competition, and I stand by this, because I am in this group of players. Disallowing macros would restore the sense of achievement that comes with mastering the game.



A significant challenge, however, lies in enforcement. Enforcing bans for macro usage is inherently difficult due to the sophisticated nature of modern macros. They are nearly impossible to detect with anti-cheat systems, if not completely impossible at this point. Triggering macros via in-game failures, such as chatting the macro line, is also ineffective because advanced macros are designed to avoid these pitfalls. This makes direct detection a fairy tale, unfortunately.



All in all, I agree with the points raised about how macros diminish the skill and excitement of PvP, making it feel mechanical and less rewarding. However, I believe trying to ban macro usage is not a practical solution given how advanced and undetectable they have become. This is prime example of the case "if you can't beat them, join them".



Not to mention, there will always be a significant portion of players who seek shortcuts. Even if we tried to encourage playing without macros, it would likely be futile due to the reality that many players prioritise their own advantage over fair play and are unwilling to change.

I agree with your response. (y)


First, I do perfect combos with my fingers in all char but I'm also a macro fan,

imagine some 1 back home from work and the kids are sleeping and the family wants to take some silence and peace and I start tek tak tok on my keyboard for 10 min not even 10 hours, Everyone in my house hates me when I start playing with my fingers, and sometimes I back from work tired from real life and wanna chile some time on the game I love but cannot play with my fingers for many reasons so I will not open the game, 1 more thing we are not 16 years old any more we cannot tek tak tek tak for 1 hour or 2 hours max u will play 30 min with your fingers and done no more activity and no more pvp and server die.

The last thing we already tested some years ago and this is the main reason many players left the game and imu lost them even when macro back they already found other games enjoying it now and won't come back so it's destroying the server and I won't accept this happen again since I'm in this server and I will take it personally


I completely understand your point of view because you have always used Macro, even when it wasn’t allowed. Everyone knows you for that.

...What in the in the bloody heavenly called Hell you talking here ??
You couldnt face a dam elf for sake lord withouth your scrips.
Im so flabbergasted that i still have to reread after what ive read this lie over dozen times.. ewwww
Lmao.. dude? Im ded.. x.x
My 20+ years opinion is that 3rd party programs or how heck theyr called they shall be forbidden.
Macro does same damage as a hack since its giving an advantage over fair players.
Also same as a hack.. is a source of money.. this dude I quoted up there have sold already scrips.. and the $$ went to his account.. not imu accoount. Dooh. Bye.

I respect your thoughts, but let’s try not to bring personal in-game issues into the forum.
This way, we can avoid our moderators closing the thread for SPAM.

Thanks, beautiful.
 
If we were to disallow macro again, then it would also be good to go back to red pots (remove AG pots) and with 1 or 2 milions of HP (easier to spot macro users, I think). Gold old days.

But then again, times and technology also changed, back then, most players had no idea about macros because they were too young or the internet didn't have enough information about it. It's like if we wanted to disllow brainrot platforms like TikTok or other platforms. Once introduced and got used to it, there is no going back.
 
i play hand combo and i still bang macro users :kbro: it's your choice not to play with macros :kebapsing:

also you can't please everyone.. if venci would remove macros out of the game now, people would be crying in 3 months to get them back in the game...

how it is at the moment you have a choice - or you use it, or you don't. but then the people who use it are not punished for that.
me agree with you, me hand combo too. I like enjoying the game with pure hand, practice to be better is my purpose, not find out better macro script.
 
Whether I use macros or not, let’s go—I'll just follow the rules, of course. Regarding the topic of macros, whatever the majority wants, that's where we’ll go. Thank you!

But honestly, I'll have a hard time with manual combos, plus I'm using a laptop, and I don’t want to damage my laptop keyboard—repairs are expensive! Hahaha!
 
If some loves macros and some hates it and not use it, i think we should just make for example a weekly event where pvp with no macros is held. cause macros are used most of the time on pvp in arena and anywhere. there should be an event to just pvp with no macro used to showcase pvp skills using fingers from time to time. cause i myself love macros too, makes my life easier and wont hurt my keyboard that bad hahahaha, but i also played back in the days doing finger combos and it was fun and enjoyable since you can compete with other players with higher pot rate than you if you have more skill for combo to compensate for your lower pot rate.
 
from my perspective and i'm saying this because i'm not an active PVP user atm:
Hence; i had macro software for years but i have never used that thing, sometimes i even try the old way only with hands but does that bothers me? not really, maybe before but many times i was tempted to use it, damn i have a gaming mouse with macros why the hell i'm not using this? is this even considered illegal? is not altering my stats or my dmg but it's just changing the formula, how to use the skills and combinations (nothing against hands user combos tho) but it's crazy because some scripts with delay input, ms response in every skill programed in the macro sequence? the fk? isn't that curious and interesting? it is for me and for some people as well.
VPN software, should be this also illegal? because you are somehow getting less latency but dang i live very far with high latency, i can't pay or get some VPN, isn't this unfair? because this is the direction you are going for imo. Even having max pot living in EU (which is my case) i still have to use some VPN to at least stand the chance to win a PVP with someone that is definitely using all that stuff, so where's the point in keep playing this server if i can't get these things? People will decide to keep playing or not the server, to get additional software or hardware to improve the experience in this server because i'm pretty sure the majority is using and having no problem with these programs.

Additionally, it’s simple: we shouldn’t allow macros. Let players show their skills with their hands, and if any player uses macros and fails in the game, they should be banned. If they want to keep playing, they should pay for it.

Let's just compare one thing for a moment, which option you think people will choose? to get banned and pay 50$? or to donate it in the server so people will feel the difference with new sets, new features, etc.. OR to buy a mouse or keyboard for the same or less price? This is a perfect choice made carefully to people in this server, we don't want people leaving because this is somehow an inevitable software and everyone will want to use it, so why not allowing it?


Have you read this?

Unless you have a better explanation or some contradictory argument that would change Venci's statement in this post, then i think everyone will be interested on reading.
regards.
 
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