Discussion Opinions about Macro

[Kona]

Hello everyone

The method of using macro in this game is that everyone has the same level of fighting and speed in the combo which makes a more interesting fight

Talking about playing without using macro is something that one would lie to oneself because even if a macro software is blocked it will always work again, let's say the Razer is blocked but others use more than 1 mouse with different software

Since in the same hack you can use the macro configuration

For me this type of conversation or opinions is somewhat irrelevant until today I see a decent pvp since everyone can use it and without any concern

With macro or not macro it will always be the same, others will stop using,there are thousands of ways to use macro here, not only with the mouse software

Thank you and have a good day <3

 

[SuperCris]

Well, I think our community has already expressed itself on this matter, and I can see many players in favor of Macro, unfortunately for me and for players who prefer to showcase their skills.

But as I’ve always said, we must accept the opinions of others. It’s sad for me because I wanted to have some fun and engage in PVP, but I prefer not to do it under these conditions—it honestly bores me.

So, I personally consider this discussion closed. Let’s wait for a moderator’s decision to close the thread.

Thank you all for sharing your opinions.

 

[Elbereth]

Hello all, thank you @SuperCris for bringing this issue into discussion and everyone who has shared their PoV, this has all been very interesting to read.

As a relatively new player in the server (and someone who hasn't been around the game in... around +17 years or so) when I started playing here a few months ago atracted by the old/nostalgic season aspect of the server, I just saw the whole pvp combos thing and it's underlaying matters as "new things in the game that i have yet to learn about/discover" along side the newer events, ancient items and everything else we didn't have back then. So I guess I just looked at it as the way things are without really questioning it. Most of it has been very entertaining to learn about while playing like rediscovering the game once again, after many years. However the whole subject of PvP it's a something that up to this point I have been putting aside to get into/learn about, because as I understood it, in order to have a shot against the top players it not only required the practice/knowledge of making combos and uber sets/combinations but also the use of "macros", "auto pots", "antilag systems", etc. I feel like I have managed to get first couple of things down properly however when it comes to the last things, given that they involve the use of third party programs and that's something i've never asociated to gaming before up to this point (except maybe using the booster gaming mode of razer), it just feels alienating to me, so after this many months, even thou i do have the programs (they've been given to me) I just haven't been bothered to learn to use them and just rather choose to stay away from PvP events and play in server1 for the most part, atleast while I max out my first character (still needs achievements, and ibuff) or so I keep telling myself.

Now this is my case, maybe other new players dig the whole current state of PvP. Me? not so much but I am still willing to learn/try in the future I just don't find it appealing at all at the moment, it just kills my gaming experience.

I mean let's face it, the use of any third party program fundamentally goes against the integrity of the game, any game, period.

That said, I do understand everyones PoV, and perhaps the issue on the current state PvP shouldn't be "are macros good or bad", but maybe "how can it be made so that with or without macros the game play is more even leveled". Perhaps a complete restructuring of the combos system should be impletemented. But I personally think that buying into the "everyone uses it, and it's hard to detect, so it should be allowed and made into the norm" narrative to me seems too cheap and conformist.

 

[Halfdanjal]

in order to have a shot against the top players it not only required the practice/knowledge of making combos and uber sets/combinations but also the use of "macros", "auto pots", "antilag systems", etc. I feel like I have managed to get first couple of things down properly however when it comes to the last things, given that they involve the use of third party programs and that's something i've never asociated to gaming before up to this point (except maybe using the booster gaming mode of razer), it just feels alienating to me, so after this many months, even thou i do have the programs (they've been given to me) I just haven't been bothered to learn to use them and just rather choose to stay away from PvP

This. While vast majority chooses to just use all these things, I have used vpn and macro exactly once to just give it a go, have not done it since. What I understood is that best players optimise everything to the bone, to the last millisecond in macro delays, to the last pixel in antilag. It's so unappealing to play skinned down game where you see some black shadows fighting, when this game, despite being this old, has considerably beautiful graphics and items. Plus, all this tryharding is just breaking the spirit of what gaming is, it should be fun, enjoyable, you should be able to enjoy your time with friends, but this has become so competitive that there is barely any room for friends, making many players sworn enemies. Sad imo.

But I personally think that buying into the "everyone uses it, and it's hard to detect, so it should be allowed and made into the norm" narrative to me seems too cheap and conformist.

I will have to disagree with you here. You are speaking from your perspective, and while it is your perspective and your truth, it is your truth, not the objective picture here. I have been in staff team long enough to know what has been done to battle macros and how the battle went. Back in the day macros were underdeveloped compared to today, it was easy to detect people using them, at least most of them, plus way back when it wasn't even a necessity, as all class combo was introduced in about 2018 or 2019, can't really remember and I am lazy to search. Players here, I am sorry if I offend anyone with this, are very selfish and competitive, they will cut every corner they can, often even resorting to breaking the rules to do so. All these things combined with technology available today, even if we forbid use of macros, how will we battle it? You might think that if there is a will, there is a way, but not in this case. Another option is to disable combos for all classes. While doable, I imagine this would result in a massive waves of people leaving the game.

I am sure I am amongst the group of people that hate macros the most, I am against it with all my limbs, ligaments and bones, BUT, sometimes there is just nothing you can do, sometimes you just have to accept something for what it is. I love this server and have never played anywhere else since 2015, and despite ups and downs I have faced here, this is the best season 3 server out there, macros or not, and I will never change it for something else. In essence, we just have to accept that there are tools we must master to play this game to its fullest. While counter intuitive, that is the reality we have here.

 

[Dante.]

There is one single problem with macro nowadays, it can't be detected. Gaming Mouse for example have own memory so you can run macro without any app on your PC. If macro will be forbidden, it will be unfair for players playing by hands...unfortunately we can't block it so it should stay free to use for everyone

 

[Shaanks]

Hello everyone!

Just to express a few words around this topic from my point of view: stopping using macros would be little bit hard, because of the actual pot rate in the game: you can't pot 4/5 pots per second, using only hands, and also combo attacking... so it brings us with the statement made by Tobias, a lot of changes should happen for a possible removal of macro system, for example pot rate, HP of characters, etc
The step made by the owner by introducing the macro system was a brave one, allowing 3rd party program such as JitBit for a better / faster experience in the game, and a step forward to gaming experience. It takes a lot of knowledge to make scripts, change them by combating each player because of their different style.

I like the good old days to battle with the use of only fingers, but also I've been enjoying this new kind of combat <3
So, let's keep the game as it is ^__^

 

[Dimer]

Well, I think our community has already expressed itself on this matter, and I can see many players in favor of Macro, unfortunately for me and for players who prefer to showcase their skills.

But as I’ve always said, we must accept the opinions of others. It’s sad for me because I wanted to have some fun and engage in PVP, but I prefer not to do it under these conditions—it honestly bores me.

So, I personally consider this discussion closed. Let’s wait for a moderator’s decision to close the thread.

Thank you all for sharing your opinions.

We always value everyon's opinion, so yours is also considered as important feedback on our system.

Regardless, the decision to use the macros will remain as it is, since the majority of players prefers using macro and this way take part in the PVP cycle of our server.

Of course, the Staff Team is always open to suggestion which involve the improvement of the server.

Thank you for your feedback!

/Closed and denied